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Dave Watt

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A12's with early racing history.
02/09/10 at 11:48:24

I've been curious to hear about A12's with early racing history. Whether it was Stock Eliminator or even bracket racing. I'm finding out some details of a C/SA Road Runner out of Ohio.
Of course the most well known would be Project Six Pack. NHRA records were achieved with Ted and his crew.

1. Project Six Pack C/SA Rallye Green Road Runner 4-speed
2. Lou Mancini C/SA yellow Road Runner 4-speed
3. Lil' Thirsty Hemi Orange Super Bee
4. Hooterville Express red Road Runner automatic
5. An original owner F8 green Road Runner automatic here in Indiana that is still being raced.
6. Don Grotheer 4-speed Road Runner, I don't think it raced much.
7. el Bandito Bee from Colorado, yellow with blue graphics.
8. Bob Karakasian red Super Bee auto, bought new and raced a lot. I believe he did campaign in some Stock Eliminator events.

Any others?

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dstryr A12 Moderator Posts: 428	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #1 - 02/09/10 at 14:40:26 Refresh my memory with some details on Vic Edelbrock's car.
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Dave Watt A12 Moderator A12 numbers guy Posts: 2394	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #2 - 02/09/10 at 15:05:01 According to the recent article in one of the Mopar magazines, it sounded as though Vics car was somewhat of a driver. There wasn't mention of dragstrip duty. Too bad it wasn't available to be at Carlisle back in July.
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Coop A12 Moderator ...so when does government's 'A12 welfare' start? Posts: 289	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #3 - 02/09/10 at 15:09:55 Good idea Dave, let's keep track of the old warriors and give them some respect. Not sure but you might want to include Bob K's car on that list with an asterisk. It wasn't officially campaigned yet raced for Hoover at various Mopar sponsored time trials.
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a12bee 6 BBL/Six Pack Member Huh? Posts: 1038	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #4 - 02/09/10 at 15:54:29 There the el bandito bee that came colorado area. I only know what was posted here though.
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Dave Watt A12 Moderator A12 numbers guy Posts: 2394	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #5 - 02/09/10 at 19:30:27 I've updated the list. Coop, can't believe I didn't have Bob K on the list. That car probably has more track miles than street miles. Mark, good thought on the el Bandito Bee.
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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #6 - 02/09/10 at 22:16:01

There was one in TN or thereabouts raced by John Laboose (I think that was his name)? He won a bracket race nationals or two. It was very fast. I don't know if it was a real A12? I think it was black? It was called Loose Caboose or something? Also, Tritak and Morgan in NJ had an A12 Bee race only that was written up in the magazines back in the day. I still have the article. It was a good reference for setting up a race car and engine build. I think it was rally green?

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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #7 - 02/10/10 at 10:08:49

Quote from RoadrunnerJD on 02/09/10 at 22:16:01:

There was one in TN or thereabouts raced by John Laboose (I think that was his name)? He won a bracket race nationals or two. It was very fast. I don't know if it was a real A12? I think it was black? It was called Loose Caboose or something? Also, Tritak and Morgan in NJ had an A12 Bee race only that was written up in the magazines back in the day. I still have the article. It was a good reference for setting up a race car and engine build. I think it was rally green?

JD
I ran into the guys with the Triak and Morgan car. Still a nice piece not cut up! I think Scotty and I where parked along side of him at a local cruise last year.

By the look in his eye's I know he thought I was full of it when I told him how fast the cars went on bias ply tires Roll Eyes

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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #8 - 02/10/10 at 11:14:15

Quote from Dave Watt on 02/09/10 at 11:48:24:

1. Project Six Pack C/SA Rallye Green Road Runner 4-speed
2. Lou Mancini C/SA yellow Road Runner 4-speed
3. Lil' Thirsty Hemi Orange Super Bee
4. Hooterville Express red Road Runner automatic
5. An original owner F8 green Road Runner automatic here in Indiana that is still being raced.
6. Don Grotheer 4-speed Road Runner, I don't think it raced much.
7. el Bandito Bee from Colorado, yellow with blue graphics.
8. Bob Karakasian red Super Bee auto, bought new and raced a lot. I believe he did campaign in some Stock Eliminator events.
9. John Labbous, Loose Caboose Road Runner
10. Tritak and Morgan Super Bee

Any others?

If anyone knows the original colors for some of them, let us know. What did the Tritak and Morgan Bee look like, was it lettered up a lot?

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Fasbird 5 BBL/Pack Member Lift Off Hoods Forever! Posts: 216	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #9 - 02/10/10 at 11:38:11 What about Flypaper's (Frank) car? Wasn't that an original A12 car? I I remember, it still had the track paintjob on it when he had it up for sale.
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mopargem

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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #10 - 02/10/10 at 15:09:02

how about b-body-bobs car, this is from his for sale ad, I think it was rally green.....

1969-1/2 A12 Plymouth road runner, serial number RM23M9A278XXX, with original VIN tag and matching trunk lip and radiator support stampings.

This road runner has been used strictly a race car since 1976, when the owner previous to me bought it. It was transformed into a bracket racing car by Arlen Vanke's shop not long after. The car has been garage kept for the majority of its life, so rust never took a hold on it. The fender tag, broadcast sheet, original engine, and transmission are also long gone. Car currently has a fiberglass hood, doors, fenders, and bumpers installed. It still has its original uncut Dana 60, and Sure-Grip.

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Butterscotch / Black Top / Black Rims
Black Bench Interior / Four on the Floor

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DRE

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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #11 - 02/10/10 at 23:40:35

There is a maroon one that raced at Norwalk alot a few years ago that is
an original A12 RR but I don't remember the name very well.
I will ask around and see if I can get a name.
I know it started with a Tom-----, and they were brothers, and it ran in the 9.60 range.

Also there is a guy named Fred Burnardy ?? that lives around Chicago that has and original A12 Bee
with a big superbee on the side and it is raced sometimes. (it's in the registry somewhere)
He also has the old Chapman superbee that raced in the KOS series when it first started.

Well Bad News about Fred's car. Here is the car I was talking about.
It is For sale on Moparts with his info in the add.
He goes by Beekeepr on there and he wants 52,500 for the car.
He doesn't have the Original motor and trans.
It has a 470 hemi in it now.

SORRY but the photo is HUGE and I don't know how to shrink it. Sorry dial up users.

Later David

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A12_RuNNeR

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Re: A12's with early racing history.
Reply #12 - 02/11/10 at 07:08:18

How about the 'Street Cleaner' (Pilot Super Bee)?

Never mind, I just re-read the article in Mopar Action:

"The car was a consistent high 12s runner at the track....The Dodge's racing duties came to an end in 1972 because of rising fuel prices and family responsibilities, and the car was retired to the driveway".

I thought it was raced for a long time -Cool pic though...

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Super Bee - WM23M9A270637 4-Speed
Road Runner - RM23M9A246385 4-Speed (949002)

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69F6A12 2 BBL/Pack Member Hardtop Bee Posts: 64	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #13 - 02/12/10 at 00:04:43 I found this shot somewhere on the net a while back. I don't know if it was born an A12 or has early history, but it's a cool photo anyhow.
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DRE 6 BBL/Six Pack Member Lift Off Hoods Forever! Posts: 394	Re: A12's with early racing history. Reply #14 - 02/12/10 at 01:25:12 Here is another race RR that races in the NHRA events. It says 440 6bbl on the hood but ??? if it's a real one. David
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